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Charles Thomas Bint was born here in 1867 to Wiltshire journeyman brickmaker Henry Bint, and his wife Celestine Hayden.

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I began this page after an email from Dale Symons - I've just come across your webpage with the history of the Bint family. My wife`s great uncle by her previous marriage was a Henry Bint who perished in the first world war. His father was named Charles who may be the Charles Bint born1853 on your webpage. Here's a link which you may find interesting.   http://www.woottonbassettinthegreatwar.uk/william-henry-bint/ 

I then remembered  a marriage certificate I ordered back in 1992 when researching a different branch of the family. It showed the 1891 Wallingford, Berkshire wedding of 24 year old Charles Thomas Bint, to 24 year old Charlotte Black, who was from a travelling family.

Charlotte was born at Choulston, Wiltshire, and christened 23 September 1866 at Farnham in Surrey. Her father was Walter Willis Black (1842-1918), a gypsy traveller from Inkpen in Berkshire, a village situated south of Marlborough, 3.5 miles southeast of Hungerford, and once part of the old Savernake Forest.

Charles Thomas Bint, born 1867 in Stratford, Essex, and who died in 1944 at Warminster, Wiltshire, was the son of brickmaker Henry Bint born at Savernake Park, Wiltshire, in 1815, who married Celestine Hayden (1827-1897) at Marlborough in 1849. She was born on 6th July 1828, the daughter of farmworker Thomas Hayden (1801), and his wife Caroline (1796), who lived at the Hampshire village of Goodworth Clatford, near Andover.

Henry & Celestine had seven children. John Bint 1850, William Bint 1853,  Ann Bint 1855, Frances Bint 1858,  Eliza Bint 1860, Charles Thomas Bint 1867, and Albert Bint 1870.

Henry, who was listed as an inmate of Marlborough workhouse in 1881, died during March 1888, at the age of 72. His wife, Celestine, died at Marlborough in 1897.

Henry (1815-1888) was the son of Joseph Bint (1777-1848), whose father, farm labourer, Thomas Bint  bn 1739, was from Marlborough in Wiltshire. Joseph, born in 1777 at Wooton Rivers,Wiltshire, and Elizabeth Maynard (1781) were married in 1801 and had ten children.

Charles Thomas Bint. His West Ham birth certificate records the birthplace as 31 Forest Street, Forest Gate, Stratford, Essex (now E7 district of Outer London) on 24th May 1867 and his father Henry's occupation as journeyman brickmaker.

Charles, who was mainly employed as a labourer, but described as a 'brickmaker' on his son Walter's marriage certificate, and his wife, Charlotte Black, had 16 children of whom only eight survived. They were officially married under English law at Wallingford in June 1891 but had been united under Gypsy tradition since 1884 according to their declaration, of 26 years married, on the 1911 census. Before their marriage, and at the time of the census on 5th April 1891, the couple were lodging with two of their children, Eliza (5) and Ellen (4) at a lodging house in St. John's Road, Wallingford, Berkshire. That was the address they gave as their home on their June 6th marriage certificate. Charles recorded his occupation as 'general labourer'.

Walter, the eldest, born at Pewsey, Wiltshire in 1886, was one Charlotte’s three children from before her official marriage to Charles. After him came Ellen 1887, and Edith 1889. William Henry 1893, Sydney 1895, Albert 1900, Emily 1903 and Ivy Carolina 1909. Because of the family's nomadic life-style, the children were born in four different counties, Wiltshire, Hampshire, Berkshire, and Somerset.

In 1901 the family were among the gypsies and travellers camping on Yateley Common in Hampshire. By 1909, and the birth of Ivy Carolina, they had settled down and were living at Mermaid Cottages, Bushton Lane, Clyffe Pypard, which is situated about 7 miles south-west of Swindon and, on its north, adjoins the parish of Wootton Bassett. The family are believed to have remained there until the death of Charles in 1944.

All four brothers, and Ellen's husband, Samson Rickman, served in World War One.

From the informative Wooton Bassett Great War site we have the following information.

William (Henry) Bint was born in Inkpen, Berkshire on October 13th 1893. He joined the 2nd Battalion of the Wiltshire Regiment in Devizes some time between March 1911 and Febryary 1912. He was later promoted to Lance Corporal. He was not listed with his family in April 1911 and may have been in Gibraltar with the Regiment.

The 2nd Wilts were recalled to England on the 30th August and went out to Belgium on 7th October 1914. They suffered huge losses at Reutel on October 24th with more than 870 of their 1100 men killed, wounded or captured. This was probably where Henry was wounded, although the date is not known. He may have been taken to a field hospital first, but eventually he was hospitalised at Kortrijk, in German occupied Belgium. IRC Prisoner of War records confirm that he died at Kortrijk military hospital on Jan 2 1915, age 21.

Henry was eventually listed as missing, and on Jan 7 1915 his name was listed in the Birmingham Daily Post. No more was heard until his name was released by the German government in May 1915. He was buried at Kortrijk (St Jan) Communal Cemetery. He was initially buried with two Germans, Fischer and Sutter, in graves 329, 330 and 331, with a shared headstone. The three bodies were later reinterred. Henry’s grave is within the cemetery, unmarked, but remembered on Special Memorial number 27 which reads: “Their Glory Shall not be Blotted Out”.         From the Wootton Bassett World War One website.

 

Hi, my name is Anne and I am dipping in and out of family history.

Today I have been researching my mothers side of the family and in doing so I came across your article A Bint Family History.  I had already travelled back to 1880, but lots of gaps and social history have been filled in.

My grandmother was Emily Richenda Bint, the sister of William Henry, and it would appear that Mary Jane Black was my great, great, great grandmother.Thanks so much for all this information.      Anne Sweeney.

 

Albert Bint was born in Bath, Somerset on 21st February 1900. During World War 1 he served as a private in the Royal Marines Engineers. On 20th November, 1920, at Wootton Bassett registry office, he married Wiltshire born Penella Charlotte Black (1897-1974), the illegitimate daughter of horse-trader Henry Black, who may have been Albert's mother's brother or uncle. Their first child, born in 1921, was named after his lost soldier brother, William Henry (1921-1978). The other two children were, Gilbert Bint (1925-1991) and Grace Bint (1928-99).

 

Sidney Bint was born at Odiham, Hampshire, in 1896 and baptised in Bentley. He married Gerty Smith in 1915 at Swindon and had three children, Betsy, Edith and Sidney. During World War 1 he served in the Royal Garrison Artillery.

 

Their sister, Ellen Bint, who was born in 1887, married Samson Rickman (1890) from another travelling family, at Fareham, Hampshire in 1912. Samson was born in Hampshire in 1890. They had had their a first child, who they named Samson, in 1911. Samson and Ellen appear to have settled in the Fareham area of Hampshire, as little Samson died there in 1914 at only two and a half years old. Their second child, Charlotte, was born at Poole, Dorset in 1913.

In September 1913 Samson & Ellen Rickman and their daughter Charlotte Ellen from Portsmouth, were among travellers hop-picking at Binstead, near Alton in Hampshire.

See Binstead hop-pickers on http://romanygenes.com/hopping-times/4525948970

Another daughter,Jane Rickman, was registered at Wareham, Dorset in 1916, and christened at a church near the Rickman family home in Sarisbury, Hampshire in March that year. It is believed that Ellen returned to her family in Clyffe Pypard when her husband joined up with the 3rd Hampshire Regiment during World War 1. He was fortunate in not being sent to France and served his time in the UK. The Hampshire 3rd (Reserve) Battalion was based at Winchester in August 1914 . A depot/training unit, it remained in UK throughout the war. The unit moved on mobilisation to Parkhurst (Isle of Wight) and in January 1915 to Gosport for duty with Portsmouth Garrison.

Two more children were born to the Rickmans at Fareham in the 1920s, Rose in 1921, and Charles in 1924.

Travelling patterns were determined by opportunities for seasonal employment, opportunities to sell goods and services, attendance at fairs, and the gathering of raw materials to manufacture goods. For these reasons, Gypsy baptisms can be found at Bentley/Binsted/Froyle (hop picking), the Titchfield area (strawberry picking), Longparish (source of osiers and reeds for basket making), Weyhill (Weyhill Fair), and Overton & Whitchurch (Overton Fair). Alan McGowan 2007

 

Both Sidney Bint and his brother in law, Samson Rickman, over-stayed their army leave in 1917. On May 2nd 1917 a special Police Court was held in Wootton Bassett to try two men apprehended by Bushton policeman PC Wheeler and Wootton Bassett's Police Sergeant Hillier. The policemen had discovered the two men in their beds, secreted in a house in Bushton, and it appeared from their pasty complexions that they had been in hiding for quite some time.

The men were Gunner Bint of the Royal Garrison Artillery and Private Samson Rickman of  the 3rd Hampshire Regiment. The men were brought before Mr Bond charged with being deserters. They had been absent from the Regiment for less than three months. The men were remanded to await an escort and PC Wheeler was awarded 5 shillings for each man.

Samson Rickman was additionally charged with, 'losing by neglect, his clothing and regimental necessaries'.

Sydney Bint was cleared of desertion, and is believed to have been convicted of the lesser charge of being absent without leave. He was still serving in 1918.

Samson was also cleared of desertion and convicted of being absent without leave, and for the loss of his kit. He had no previous convictions and had already completed 258 days service. He was punished with 42 days confinement but his entitlement to the Victory Medal, and the British War Medal remained.

Photo on right believed to be of Samson Rickman and his wife Ellen Bint.

 

Walter Edward Bint, who was Charlotte & Charles's son from before their official marriage, was born at Pewsey, Wiltshire in 1886. He was registered at birth as Walter Edward Black but the 1901 census records that he was then staying with his maternal grandparents and had adopted his father's surname, Bint.

At the time of the 1911 census, Walter Bint was living with his wife, 21 year old Morselly, in a caravan on Lydiard Plain, near Wootton Bassett, one of six families of gypsies camped there. The census form shows the couple married for two years, but as there does not appear to be an official wedding recorded, it is probable that the union was performed in the gypsy tradition. We have no record of what happened to Morselly...

Walter, whose employment was listed as labourer, declared himself a bachelor when he married 30 year old war widow, Alice Maud Poole, at Gorse Hill Parish Church, Swindon, in April 1917. They had four children. Lilian M Bint (1918), William Henry Bint (1919–1976), Vera Frances Bint ( 1922), and Walter Leonard Bint (1926-1926).

His name is on the Clyffe Pypard Roll of Honour as Walter Black, and that is how he was recorded on WW1 medal rolls as serving with the Wiltshire Regiment and Royal Army Veterinary Corps. It appears to be the name he enlisted under. It is difficult to understand his reason, being recorded on all earlier census forms as Walter Bint. A check of birth records failed to find any other Walter Bint or Black born in the area during the 1880s.

Another puzzle is that when he married Alice Poole in April 1917, at a time when one would expect him still to be a serving soldier, he gave his occupation as 'labourer'.

Alice Maud Poole, formerly Titcomb, was the widow of Oxfordshire born soldier, Cpl William John Poole, who served with the Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry. The couple were married at Swindon in early 1914, but William was killed at Givenchy in September 1915. Their only child, Alice Poole, was born in late 1914.

Following Walter's death in January 1928 at 58 Florence Street, Swindon, probate records show that his effects, valued at £68 6s 7d, were left to his wife, Alice Maud Bint. Thanks to Teresa Bailey for that 1911 census and probate information.

 

Our gratitude to Sheridan Parsons for her diligent WW1 research and for allowing us to copy the newspaper photo of the Bint brothers. Her book Wootton Bassett in the Great War is available from Amazon. It can also be down-loaded to Kindle. http://www.woottonbassettinthegreatwar.uk

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Hello, I have just been reading your excellent family tree. I am Kevin Bint the son of the late William Henry,RIP.

Like many other people I left it too late to check my history but you have provided lost information.

All of my fathers sisters have passed: Alice Poole married Dennis Bourne and moved to Chippenham, she died about 2008.

Lillian married George Boland, she stayed in Swindon and passed away about 2012.

Vera married Bill Watkins, stayed in Swindon also passing away in 1999 about two weeks before my mother Brigid, nee Hayes who came from Co.Clare.

I had one sibling, Patrick William who ended up in Fairford and you might have guessed by the theme of this post that he died in 2010.

My dad often spoke of spending school holidays with some of his family at Clevedon and Bushton.

I myself am retired and live in Swindon not far from Florence Street, I am married to Ann Maria also an Irish and have three grown up children.        Best wishes, Kevin.       November 2016

 

The Black Family of Inkpen

The Blacks were a traveling family; in fact, on census records and christening entries they are listed as “travellors” and in some cases, “tramps” depending on the opinion of the recorder.

They owned at least two cottages in Inkpen at one point and were well thought of. They were from “the people known as Gypsies” and were horse traders and hawkers selling their wares wherever they went. We have record of their families traveling as far south as Beaulieu, Hampshire; as far east as Farnham, Surrey; as far west as Pewsey, Wiltshire; and as far north as Chievely, Berkshire.

Charlotte Bint's father, Walter Willis Black, was born 21 June 1842 at Kintbury, Berkshire, the seventh child of Amos Black and Mary Jane White. He and his wife, Eliza Hughes, were married 1 October 1877 at Bentley, Hampshire and to them were born 8 children that we have found.

John George, born at Basingstoke, Hampshire and christened 22 November 1863 in Inkpen; Joan born 1864; Charlotte born at Choulston, Wiltshire and christened 23 September 1866 at Farnham; Richard Walter born Bentley Green, Hampshire, and christened 12 July 1871 at Inkpen; Henry L. born at Moriston and christened 14 September 1873 at Farnham; Trainette born 3 July 1873 at Durrington and christened 14 September 1873 at Farnham; Leonard born 29 Dec 1876 at Burbage; Alice Ellen born 9 November 1877 at Moonlane, Berkshire and christened 23 November 1877 at Hungerford, Berkshire; and Edward christened 13 April 1880 at Great Bedwin, Wiltshire.

In the 1881 census the family of eight children and mother and father were living at Durrington, Wiltshire and listed as ‘travelling Hawkers’. Walter died the 16 May 1918 in Inkpen where he had lived with his family and was buried there in the Inkpen churchyard the 20 May.

Information from   http://www.ourgypsyheritage.com/p/our-gypsy-heritage.html

 

Walter's father, Amos Black, was born around 1804 at Boxford, Berkshire, and died March 18, 1875 at Inkpen. He married Jane (Mary Jane) White, the daughter of Thomas & Mary White. She was born around 1808 at Bewley, Hampshire, and died November 10, 1900 in Inkpen, Berkshire. In 1830  Amos and Mary were  living together as husband and wife under Gypsy law.  Their second child, Clemontina Black, was christened 21 November in Boxford, Berkshire. On the 18 May 1840, Amos Black and Jane White were married under English law at Linkenholt, Hampshire.

Their children were - Amos Black 1830-1925, Clemontina Black, 1831-1875, Jamima Black 1832, Alice Black 1837-1911, Mary Ann Black 1840, Walter Willis Black 1842-1918,  Henry Black 1844-1903,  John Black 1846, Rosanna Black (Spackman) 1848-1935, died Preston, Franklin, Idaho, U.S.A, Matthew Black 1849-1858, Thomas Black, 1850-1857, Arabella Black, 1854, Rhoda Black 1856, and Maurice Black 1858-1940.

Jack Black (real name is Maurice) related that when he was younger he became very ill and nearly died, while he was in bed this woman whom he had never seen before came to him in a vision, he said that she was wearing a black bonnet, which was something that he would never forget, he made a full recovery, a few years later he was looking though some old photographs, when he came across one of an old lady in a bonnet, when he asked his father who she was, he was told that it was Jane Black, apparently he is not the only one who has seen her when they have been at death's door, and all the others that have seen her have made a full recovery too.

He also remembers a story that has been passed down though the ages, A Major somebody (I have forgotten his name but will try to find out later) who owned Savernake forest, used to come and collect Jane Black and bring her back to his estate to tell peoples fortunes, she also use to be able to sex unborn donkeys, and on this particular day he wanted her to tell him the sex of his donkey's unborn baby.  She said that the donkey was having twins and that when they were born there would be a girl and a boy, the Major did not believe her and said that every one knows that donkeys don't have twins, but sure enough when the donkey gave birth there were twins and there was one of each sex."     Sarah Barrass 15 October 2000

 

The Leicester Chronicle and Leicester Mercury, Saturday, December 1, 1900.

TWO HUNDRED GRANDCHILDREN.

There has just died in the gipsy colony at Inkpen-common, an isolated locality on the borders of Berkshire and North Hampshire, at the foot of the grand range of downs which divides the two counties, a remarkable member of the gipsy community, named Mary Jane Black, better known in that part of the country as “Granny” Black.

She was born at Southampton, and had attained the age of ninety years. Her maiden name was White, and, singular to say, she married in early life a fine-grown member of her own fraternity, named Amos Black, who obtained a livelihood as a dealer in horse-flesh and goods of various kinds, as is the wont of gipsies, being actively assisted by his wife, who up to quite recently was to be seen about the neighbourhood of Newbury and Hungerford.

She had a family of 14 children, 10 of whom are living - strong and healthy men and women. Her sons and grandsons are mostly engaged in the horse-dealing business, and attending country fairs with swings, cocoanut stalls, and the like. Her grandchildren number something like 200.

“Granny’s” husband predeceased her more than a quarter of a century since, his age being 74 years. The old lady’s funeral, which has taken place at Inkpen, drew together a large and sorrowing assemblage of her progeny.

 

 

Death of a nonagenarian. Inkpen December 1900 - Two hundred grandchildren.
On Wednesday, last week, was laid to rest, near the entrance of the old churchyard, one of the best known local characters in the county of Berkshire. Popularly known as "Granny Black,"

Mary Jane Black has, for considerably more than an ordinary lifetime, travelled the neighbourhood far and wide with her basket of small wares slung across her shoulder, and her picturesque figure and insinuating style of introducing the articles she had for sale, will long be remembered by those who knew her.
Curiously enough her maiden name was White, so that by the marriage ceremony White was transformed into Black.
She was born at Southampton, and at an early age married Amos Black, from which union has sprung the considerable community of Blacks now living on Inkpen Common.
After becoming the mother of 14 children, ten of whom are now living, she was left a widow in 1875, her husband dying of paralysis at the age of 74. He had
then been an invalid for twelve years, and during that time his brave wife struggled on and succeeded in supporting him and the three children then dependent on her.
Since then, up to quite recently, she has followed her old occupation, and it speaks well for the benefits to health of an outdoor life that the old lady attained the age of 90 before she died.
Many a romantic yarn did Granny indulge in, telling to susceptible housemaids who loved to have their ears tickled with promises of a charming married life for their future, and who in return were induced to buy from the old woman's stores.
While on her rounds Granny might often have been seen puffing away at her short clay pipe, for the old lady loved her "bit of baccy" and was as voluble as Kingsley in sounding the praises of what to her was a "lone woman's companion".
She leaves a little army of 200 grandchildren to the third generation, to mourn their loss, some of whom have found a home across the Atlantic.
A good number of her descendants followed her to the grave, but her eldest son much regrets that he was unable to attend, on account of being laid up with a serious attack of dropsy.
During the latter part of "Granny's" life she has lived with her youngest son Maurice who, together with his wife, has solaced by tender care the old lady's declining days.

 

 

Death of Mr. Amos Black 9 MAY 1925, (son of Amos Black & Mary White)
A well known horse dealer of Inkpen. Mr. Amos Black, died on Friday at Odiham, where he had gone on a visit to his daughter.
Amos, who had reached the age of 86, had lived on Inkpen Common practically all of his life. He was one of the best known men in the district, particularly among those who had to do with horses, either as owners, buyers, or sellers. Amos knew all there was to be known about horses, and did a large business as a dealer.
He was healthy in appearance, a character, whom Dickens would have loved to portray. Keen at driving a bargain, there was none who could get the better of him in a deal.
He had a keen eye for the points of a good horse, and could show the paces of one, which he was desirous of selling. A man of distinct type, ready in repartee, able to smoke a cigar with keen enjoyment, or crack a whip or a joke with anybody. Motor cars he never approved, because they displaced horses.
Amos Black was a patriarch of a numerous community settled on Inkpen Common. The funeral took place at Inkpen Church on Tuesday in the grave in which his wife was interred only a few months ago.
The mourners were: Messrs Amos Roberts, Nelson, Harry, and Maurice Black (sons), Mrs. Stokes (North Wanborough); Mrs. Stokes (Odiham) and Mrs. Buckland (daughters); Mrs. Nelson Black, Mrs. Harry Black, and Mrs. Morris Black (daughters-in-law); Mr. Maurice Black (brother); Mrs. Arabella Black Hamblin (sister); Mr. Nelson and Miss L Black (grandchildren); Messr's T. F. and H. Black and T. Williams (Nephews); Misses S. and E. Stokes, Mrs. Goddard and Mrs. Sheppard (Nieces); and in addition a large number of friends and neighbors were present.
The floral tributes were numerous, and among them were those from Mr. and Mrs. H, Leander and family, Mary and Dick Trainette and family, Nelson and Sally, Henry and Cissie, Morris and Lottie, Morris and Ann, his grandchildren, Alf and Rhoda Goddard and Morris and Dorothy (nieces); Mr. and Mrs. Goodhart; Mr. and Mrs. Bicknell; Mr. and Mrs. Povey; Mrs. W H Taylor and family; Mr. and Mrs. J. Bicknell; Mr. and Mrs. Sheppard; Mr. Pearce; Miss Palmer; and W. May. Mrs. Loder and family. Mr. and Mrs. Goddard (Mr. Loder was bedfast and could not attend being an invalid for fifteen years (an old friend of Amos Black.)

 








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