The Bint Family of New Zealand

 

 

Descendants of the Berkshire Bints

 

 

 THE ALLMAN & EDWARDS FAMILIES

THE NEW ZEALAND BINT FAMILY

THE VOYAGE

CHARLOTTE'S ALBUM

AN 1898 LETTER FROM HOME

GEORGE BINT

PHILIP BINT &  ELIZA DAY

EDWARD HAYWARD & CHARLOTTE BINT

WALTER & LILLIAN BINT

SYDNEY SMITH & CATHERINE BINT

JAMES BINT & ELLEN STRATFORD

LESTER & ROSA BINT

WILLIAM & ROSE

BERTHA BINT

COUSIN ARTHUR SOANES & 1880s TARATA

THE RAWLINSONS

IRENE HANNAM'S LETTERS

LORNA SMITH'S STORY

TARANAKI MIGRANTS

 

 

 

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Eliza Allman (nee Edwards) born 1830

 

Charlotte Allman was born at Hammersmith in 1852, the daughter of dairyman Richard Allman (1828) who was from Wraysbury in Buckinghamshire and Suffolk born Eliza Edwards (1829). 

Stephanie relates that there was contact between her family and the London based Allmans till at least the 1940s.

Richard Allman was born at Wraysbury (now in Berkshire) around 1831, just across the River Thames from Old Windsor. His father was Wraysbury born labourer George Allman and his mother Ann was from nearby Thorpe, close to Egham, a mile or so over the county border in Surrey. 

The 1851 census records farm labourer George Allman (52) and his wife Ann (40) living at 4 Scotts Cottages, Shepherds Bush. The cottages are no longer there but from the census they appear to have been fairly close to the Queen Adelaide public house at 412 Uxbridge Road which does still survive. 

There are four children at home, Henry (19) born Wraysbury, and George (6)  Sarah (3), Eliza (1) all born at Shepherds Bush. The 1861 census shows two more children Albert (10) and Lucy Ann (7) and they are then living in the St Peter's area of Hammersmith.

Richard married Eliza Edwards from Wrentham, Suffolk at Kensington, West London on September 29th 1851.They had at least seven children of whom six survived. They were Charlotte Allman (1852), William (1855 - 79), Eliza (1859), Emily (1861), Robert (1865) and Alfred (1868). 

 

 

 

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The old Thames ferry between Wraysbury and Old Windsor in 1890. Before 1974 the river was the Berks/Bucks county boundary.

 

 

 

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An 1883 map showing a three mile section of the Thames where three counties came together

 

In early records Wraysbury, Buckinghamshire was spelt as 'Wyrardisbury'. Windsor is on the other side of the Thames and in the county of Berkshire. Staines on the right of the River Coln is in Middlesex.  Egham and neighbouring Magna Carta Island, at the bottom of the map, are in Surrey. The village of Horton had several Allman families living there according to the 1841 and 1851 census. This section of Buckinghamshire, together with nearby Slough and Eton, was made a part of Berkshire during a number of county boundary changes carried out in 1974.

 

 

 

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Charlotte Allman (born 1852) aged 24

Emily Allman (born 1861)

Taken a few months after her arrival in New Zealand

She married milkman Frank Hine at Fulham in 1885

 

 

 

The Edwards Family

Charlotte's mother Eliza was the daughter of Sampson Edwards who was baptised at Halesworth, Suffolk on the 25th October 1802. He was the son of Sampson Edwards (1770) and Mary Block (1762) and married Hannah Ashford (1803) from Frostenden, Suffolk at Frostenden in Oct 1827.

Their children were ..

Mary Edwards baptised Wrentham 6th of October 1828

Elizabeth Edwards baptised 23rd May 1830 at Wrentham.

Sampson Edwards 1831 baptised at Wrentham on 26th of November 1831.

Phoebe Edwards 1841 Marylebone, Middlesex

 

 

 

 

 

Charlotte Allman's grandparents, Sampson and Hannah Edwards moved to the West London area in the late 1830s. The 1851 census records that they were living on the western edge of Notting Hill in the civil parish of Hammersmith (see street-map below) and were there for at least 20 years with his horse-cab business. Sampson's occupation in 1851, was 'carman', a sort of horse-drawn taxi driver, and in 1861 a horse-keeper for local cabbies. The 1861 census also records his older brother Samuel Edwards (1796) living next door and he was employed as a cab driver.

Sampson's wife Hannah died in 1856 and the 55 year old re-married in the December Qtr of 1857. Elizabeth Winslade  from Richmond in Surrey was born on October 2nd 1822 and was 20 years younger than Sampson. They had one child, Jane Edwards,  born at Notting Hill in 1858. 

 

 

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The cab, a type of fly, sat two passengers (three if squeezed in) and a driver who sat on a sprung seat behind the vehicle. The passengers were able to give their instructions to the driver through a trap door near the rear of the roof. They could also pay the driver through this hatch and he would then operate a lever to release the doors so they could alight. In some cabs the driver could also operate a device to balance the cab and reduce strain on the horse. The passengers were protected from the elements by the cab itself, as well as by folding wooden doors which enclosed their feet and legs, protecting their clothes from splashing mud. Later versions also had an up-and-over glass window above the doors to complete the enclosure of the passengers. Additionally, a curved fender mounted forward of the doors protected passengers from the stones thrown up by the flying hooves of the horse.

 

Retirement for Sampson at the age of 69 does not appear to have been an option. He was working as a laundry-man in 1871 and I would like to speculate that his grand-daughter Charlotte Bint, who only lived a short distance away and declared 'laundress' as her occupation in 1871, may have worked with him. 

By 1881 Sampson had moved a couple of miles west to Middle Street (now Gladstone Road), Acton Green where he was employing 13 women.

At least two of that 13 were family members, his wife Elizabeth and married daughter Jane Wignall (1859). Jane Edwards had married carpenter Henry Wignall and their three children Herbert (1880), Lily and Daisy were all born at Acton Green.   Sampson died in January 1891 and the 1891 census shows his widow Elizabeth staying with their daughter Jane's family who had moved to Streatham in South London.

 

 

 

Charlotte Allman's uncle, Sampson's son Sampson Edwards, who was born at Wrentham, Suffolk in 1830, also moved to the Hammersmith area. In 1861 he was a builder's labourer living with his wife, Hammersmith born Jane Mobey (1830), at Southbrook Street, Goldhawk Road with their four young children.

By 1871 they had moved to 8 Royal Crescent Mews, only half a mile south of his father's Notting Hill home, where he was now also a cabby. 

In 1881 they were still at that address with two more children. His daughter Sarah Edwards (1853) was listed as an 'ironer' and son Alfred Edwards (1860) a cabby.

There appears to be a theme running through at least three generations of the Shepherds Bush Edwards family, where the men are mainly cabbies and the women are working with laundry.

 

Royal Crescent Mews, W11

Royal Crescent Mews, London W11    Phillip Perry

It still has its original cobbled roadway

 

Mews is a chiefly British term formerly describing a row of stables, usually with carriage houses below and living quarters above, built around a paved yard or court, or along a street, behind large city houses, such as those of London, during the 17th and 18th centuries. The word may also refer to the lane, alley or back street onto which such stables open. It is sometimes applied to rows or groups of garages or, more broadly, to a narrow passage or a confined place. Today most mews stables have been converted into dwellings, some greatly modernised and considered highly desirable residences.

 

 

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This  1901 map shows the area near Shepherds Bush Green where the Edwards families lived.  Royal Crescent, north of Uxbridge Road, is the home of cabby Sampson  Edwards (Junior) and his family.  Clifton Street, Notting Hill, a few streets above, was the area his father, Sampson, kept his horses and operated a cab business. Oaklands Grove, where Philip Thomas Bint was born to Philip and Charlotte in 1870, is in the top left corner (under Thorpebank). Just below is the Starch Green area. Some of these street names have changed during the last century.   

 

 

 

 

Richard Allman was born at Wraysbury (now in Berkshire) around 1831, just across the River Thames from Old Windsor. His father was Wraysbury born labourer George Allman and his mother Ann was from nearby Thorpe, close to Egham, a mile or so over the county border in Surrey. 

The 1851 census records farm labourer George Allman (52) and his wife Ann (40) living at 4 Scotts Cottages, Starch Green, Shepherds Bush. The cottages are no longer there but  they appear to have been very close to Oaklands Grove where Philip and Charlotte were living when their son Philip was born in 1870.

There were four children at home, Henry Allman (19) born Wraysbury, and George (6),  Sarah (3), Eliza (1) all born at Starch Green, Shepherds Bush. 

The 1861 census shows two more children, Albert (10) and Lucy Ann (7), and they are then living at New Road, (now a part of Goldhawk Road), in the St Peter's area of Hammersmith. 

George died in 1870 and the 1871 census records his wife Ann Allman now in a house at 8 Albion Road, (now Dalling Road), Hammersmith with two of her children, Albert and Lucy Ann. She gives her occupation and that of her daughter Lucy as a 'mangler', which indicates they were most probably working for a laundry. This is interesting because her grand-daughter Charlotte Bint, who lived only a relatively short distance away, was also giving her occupation as a launderer on the same Hammersmith census. Ann Allman's son, 19 year old Albert, is listed as a grocer's assistant. Ann died in 1877.

 


"Starch Green is a small open space on the north side of Goldhawk Road between Askew Road end Ashchurch Grove, on the site of the former  Starch Green pond. This area was once known as Gaggle Goose Green. The pond, although looking very picturesque in photographs, was a source of annoyance to residents in the last part of the century as dogs were frequently allowed to bathe there. The Hammersmith Council refilled the pond in 1908 but maintaining a water supply was difficult and so in 1924 it was decided to fill it in although this was not completed until 1926"

"Starch Green is so called because it was once an open space used to dry laundry. It was originally a flooded brick pit, which was filled in. It was used as a turning point for trams and trolley buses, but in recent years has been pedestrianised."


 

Albert Allman (1852) married Jane Marlow (1849) from Ireland in 1879. He was then a grocer's porter and they were living at Leffern Road, Hammersmith. He appears to have had no children. In 1901 he and his step-son, 24 year old John Marlow, were market-gardeners at Fulham.

In 1874 Lucy Ann Allman (1853) married a widower who was 12 years older. He was Tottenham born french polisher Edward James Cain (1841). In 1881 they were living at his family's home at 60 Dalling Road, the same street as Lucy's family. She was still giving her occupation as 'laundrywoman'.

 

 

Her brother George Allman (1844) was employed as a bar-man at a pub close to his parent's home in 1861. In 1871 he had moved away and was working at the White Bear at East Cheap in the City of London. In 1872 he married Essex girl Lizzie Holder (1848) at Islington. They had two children, Annie H Allman (1873) and George H Allman (1875). They lived for most of their marriage at Dalston, East London.

 

 

 

 

Richard Allman was a labourer when he married Eliza Edwards in 1851 and that was still his occupation when Charlotte Allman was born at Stratheden Terrace, New Road (now part of Goldhawk Road), Shepherds Bush, Hammersmith in 1852. When their second child William was baptised in 1855 Richard was now a cowkeeper and dairyman at 1 Curles Cottage, New Road, Hammersmith and that was still his trade into the 1860s. In 1869, a year before his death, and possibly a sick man, he was described as a gardener on his daughter Charlotte's marriage certificate.

Charlotte's brothers, Robert Allman (1865) and Alfred Allman (1868) both remained in the London area. 

 

Robert Allman (1865) married Florence Annie Younger (1864) from Boston, Lincolnshire at Fulham, West London in 1893. The couple had a shoe repair and sales business in High Street, Chiswick. There were six children. 

Robert Alfred Allman (1893) married Elsie Belsham. They had a daughter June E Allman  (1928)

Richard (Dick) Edward Allman (1896) married Dorothy (Dorrie) Tozer. They had one son, Peter John Allman (1922)

Florence Beatrice Allman (1899) married  Frank Henry Guy O'Shea

Emily Winifred Allman (1900) married Henry William Bolton

Doris Alice Allman (1904) married Henry Buller Ingram. Their sons were Garth Robert Ingram (1932), and Paul Henry Cecil Ingram (1937)

 

Motor and cycle engineer Alfred Allman (1868) married Paddington born Florence Annie Dover (1867), at Fulham in 1893. They appear to have been childless but had a niece, Daisy Dover (1897), living with them.

 

Dover family researcher John Dover has pointed me to an interesting relative of Charlotte's brother Alfred Allman with an early connection to Taranaki, New Zealand.  Alf's father-in-law's older brother, Edmund Dover (1834), was listed as a cabinet maker when living with his widowed upholsterer father at Finsbury in 1851.

He joined the 70th Regiment (Surrey Rifles) who arrived in New Zealand from India in 1863 and first saw action against the Maoris at Katikara River in Taranaki.

The regiment went on to serve at Koheroa, Cameron Town and Orakau before returning to Taranaki with General Duncan Cameron in 1865. The 70th returned to England in 1866, after 17 years' service in India and New Zealand. Sergeant Edmund Dover was not with them. He had stayed on the North Island and taken up the offer of land grants offered to former soldiers at Taranaki.  In 1868 he married Devon born widow Elizabeth Pote (nee Radford) born 1821, who is believed to have arrived in New Zealand on board The Blenheim from Plymouth, Devon in 1842 possibly using the name Elizabeth Payne.

If our sources are correct Elizabeth was 49 years old when she gave birth to their only son Philip Edmund Dover at New Plymouth in 1869. Edmund was listed as a general dealer in 1870 and a hotel keeper at the Red House Hotel, Devon Street, in 1873. He was only 40 when he died there in 1875.

 

In 1880 Charlotte's sister Eliza Allman (1859) married Philip Bint's nephew Henry Albert Soanes (1861) in New Zealand. * see Arthur Soanes Memories

Henry who was born at Paddington, West London was the son of Oxford born brick-layer Henry Soanes and Philip's sister Sarah Bint (1840) who had migrated to Christchurch on the "Lancashire Witch" in 1863.

Emily Allman (1861) married Francis (Frank) Hine (1859) at Fulham, West London in 1885. Frank spent most of his working life in the dairy trade. He was a milkman at Wood Green, Tottenham in 1891, and by 1911 was manager at Wilford Dairy, Willesden. They had one son William Francis Hine in 1888 who married Eva Winifred Sharp. There were no children. Family memories recall that both were killed by a bomb in Birmingham which apparently hit their house.

We know little of William Allman (1855) except that he died in 1879 at only twenty four years of age.

 

 

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1960s West London

 

 

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